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[Solved] Conflict between Basic Trip and Life List report

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When I see the same information for a single day on eBird, it is presented in this way:

Bottom                        Top

BD1
BD2

That is clear, and leaves no confusion of what is what.

Birder's Diary says it like this:

BD3

(And then give an non-categorized list.)

To my mind, that does leave confusion. Why does it say 59 species? What are the "forms" it's talking about? And there's that pesky Muscovy Duck that is not countable because it is deemed an escape this far north.

Ignore the fact that eBird works out to 63 total "items" and BD shows 64. That is because I did not submit duck sp. to eBird. Perhaps I should have.

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Jeff
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Hi David,

Posted by: @magmatic

Why does it say 59 species?

Because there are 59 distinct species represented on this report.

Posted by: @magmatic

What are the "forms" it's talking about?

Unique classifications. When these reports were designed, many users weighed-in and we decided on this definition of forms. See the example below: 8 unique classifications = 8 forms. Even though C. brachyrhynchos caurinus (a subpsecies) is represented twice with 2 sightings in this Sightings report, it represents one unique form.

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If I am correctly reading between the lines, it seems that you want a report like eBird, wherein specifically...

  • All sightings are listed, 
  • but those that are not countable are separated from the rest of the list in some recognizable way.

In that case, you do have an option with Sightings (but Not Trip) reports

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produces this report

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Worth noting, that before eBird and its agenda to track wild vs escaped/exotic/etc. birds along with many other agendas, this was never an issue. This is somewhat of a unique eBird situation and BD is not always going to follow eBird's lead on all such decisions.

If it makes sense or if BD is somehow clearly wrong, then it is an easy decision to upgrade BD.

I am still not sure I see the issue here. The BD reports are accurate and correct as they are defined and intended.

Let's keep at this and perhaps we just need a new report type that meets new requirements.

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I think we have exhausted the topic. Thanks for your insight.

I personally do not want Muscovy Duck (Domestic type) to be counted as a species, and the only way to do that seems to be to make it a subspecies (even though it is not a subspecies.)

I already have it not countable in the taxonomy, but the subspecies modification seems to be necessary for Birder's Diary to do what I want.

But at least I understand why it doesn't do what I want. If the report says something confusing, at least I know why. Let's get on with life.

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Thanks for your insight and discussion as well David. I have learned a few things.

Good birding.

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