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I downloaded the app successfully and am trying to test it. I very easily entered some yard birds and completed the outing. But I was not able to send it successfully so I could try to import the sightings to my main Birder's Diary database.

Here is my process after downloading the local checklist and entering bird species:

I did Finish Outing. That gave me a summary - time, distance, checklists, counts, etc.

I then added my Location, Email address and Comments.

Then I did Send and Close.

The a Share page opened: BDMOBILE-SIGHTI...IMPORT-2801.csv -- Direct share not available (whatever that means).

I touched the screen, after which that message closed. At the bottom of my device I saw a message Email Sent.

But I received no email for this test outing. I repeated this operation four times with one email address, and then once with an alternate email address. I received no emails for any of these.

I would very much like to try importing this list to my main BD database also to be sure of success before using the app for an actual outing.

Have I neglected to do something essential? The app works great if I can actually retrieve the results.

One minor question: If I accidentally add a species to my outing list, is there a way of deleting it? I could not find a way to do that.

Thanks for any help you can provide!

Lew

 

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@calumet

Hi Lew,

In the middle of a hurricane. Lost power. Pardon my brevity. 

Your phone needs to be configured with an email client, e.g.Gmail.

Once you have a functioning and tested email client that can send/receive email it should work once you click on the close and send button.

More later. 

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Ok - power restored. Cleanup in progress. Let me give you more details on this. 

Posted by: @calumet

The a Share page opened: BDMOBILE-SIGHTI...IMPORT-2801.csv -- Direct share not available (whatever that means).

So, this seems to be the issue. 

If you Google "android direct share not available" you will get dozens of folks with the same issue. 

See this link: https://forums.androidcentral.com/samsung-galaxy-note-20-note-20-ultra/1015519-direct-share-no-longer-working.html  

Device Personalization Service is Disabled. Enable and try again please. 

Let us know. Thanks. 

 

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Realized I forgot to answer your other question...

Posted by: @calumet

One minor question: If I accidentally add a species to my outing list, is there a way of deleting it? I could not find a way to do that.

 

On every window, there is a list of Help Tips. On most windows, there is a gray "?" button. But on the Checklist Entry window, click on the menu button (upper right) and you will see a Show Help Tips menu item.

Look for this on all windows as it attempts to give a brief summary of all the How-To type questions.

In your case, tapping on the name column increments the count by one, but tapping on the number/count column decrements the count.

I believe this is what you are looking for, but let me know if I have missed it.

Jeff

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Thanks Jeff. This is just what I was looking for. On the other issue, I'm still trying to figure out how to enable Device Personalization on my Android. I'll let you know later if I succeed. I hope you came through the hurricane OK. --Lew

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Hi Jeff, I've been working on the other issue, emailing my outing to myself so I can open the trip list on my laptop and import the outing to Birder's Diary.

I also looked at some of your YouTube videos.

I was finally able to send the outings bird list, but the result was a text file. I could not discover how to send it as a csv file. My app clearly shows a filename with a .csv ending. Presumably this should be an attachment to my email. But the email I sent and received did not have an attachment. I have no idea what to do next.

Further, when I went into BD and looked at the import/export options, I found a section for importing from AviSys and BirdBase but not anything for importing from the BD app file. I hope you can help.

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Hi Lew,

Yes - minor damage from the hurricane here and there, but fared much better than others.

So, can I assume you figured out how to enable your Device Personalization Service on your phone?

You should get the complete list in the body of your email, as well as a .CSV attachment that you save to your computer disk and then import into Birder's Diary Desktop. 

For example, here is what a test email I just sent to myself looks like in my Outlook email client on my PC.

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Here is the link to the BD Mobile User Guide describing how to import into BD Desktop.

https://birdersdiary.com/Documentation/Importing_Sightings_From_Birder_s_Diary_Mobile.htm

Posted by: @calumet

My app clearly shows a filename with a .csv ending. Presumably this should be an attachment to my email. But the email I sent and received did not have an attachment. I have no idea what to do next.

So now, the question is what is going on with your CSV attachment?

You say that your app clearly shows a filename with a .csv ending. I assume that you are talking about your email client app on your Android device that you choose after touching the Send and Close button on the BD Mobile app? Specifics are important here. If correct, then your email App on your android device shows the CSV attachment (a screenshot in here would be great), and then you send the email from this app. 

But, when it arrives on your PC, your email client program there is not showing the attachment. This would usually be because your client or antivirus software is stripping the attachment off the email. So this is where I would look first.

What email client are you using on your PC? What antivirus software are you using? Your email server could even have software running that could strip the attachment, depending on how you have this setup. But let's start with your email client and your antivirus software first. These are the likely candidates.

Sorry for all the trouble, but most folks don't usually encounter any of this. 

Let us know,

Jeff

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Hi Jeff,

Another frustration. You are correct that there was a problem with the .csv attachment. My phone's email client didn't include the attachment. So I sent it with my Gmail account, and that worked. I then saved the file to my Birder's Diary directory. But when I opened my main BD program and clicked the Import tab for that file, the program gave me the following message:

The Import File does not contain Observer FirstName and LastName columns. Please select the observer from the dropdown and try again.

I found no dropdown menu. My BD already has me as the observer. When I created the outing file on my mobile, I could find no place to add the observer name there.

Sorry to be a bother, but I don't know what to do or how to create the correct observer columns in the file. 

Lew

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All right Lew! Making progress with each post.

This one is easy. 

Here is a screenshot from the instructions I directed you to above.

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Step #2 is where you select the observer to assign these imported sightings to.

Please review these instructions again if you are still unsure.

https://birdersdiary.com/Documentation/Importing_Sightings_From_Birder_s_Diary_Mobile.htm

Let me know please,

Jeff

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Thanks for hanging in there with me, Jeff. We have lift-off.

I imported two test files of actual yard sightings, and both worked well.

Before you posted your last response, I tried to add observer name columns to the outing Excel file myself, since I'm a pretty experienced user of Excel. But BD didn't read the revised file and accept the new observer columns.

So I was much relieved to get your final post. The problem is, I think, that I didn't realize I needed to do the import menu drop-downs before I tried the import. Once I filled in the observer name, both imports worked well. I think I'll be good using the mobile app now. It's much easier than paper checklists and notes! In fact, couldn't be better.

One final question, if you don't mind. When I did the test outing imports, BD prompted me to delineate further two species - MODO and CASJ. I guess it didn't pick up on my setup selections after I recently updated BD. But when I looked at the setup menu, I noticed that only 2005 Clements was checked, and not the 2019 update. So I checked that too. Was that the correct thing to do? I assume the program won't let me use features that I haven't paid for.

Anyway, thanks again!

Lew

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Posted by: @calumet

One final question, if you don't mind. When I did the test outing imports, BD prompted me to delineate further two species - MODO and CASJ. I guess it didn't pick up on my setup selections after I recently updated BD. But when I looked at the setup menu, I noticed that only 2005 Clements was checked, and not the 2019 update. So I checked that too. Was that the correct thing to do? I assume the program won't let me use features that I haven't paid for.

Hi Lew,

You have the latest BD and Clements 2019. So you are good there.

But I am unclear what you mean by 

Posted by: @calumet

BD prompted me to delineate further two species - MODO and CASJ

Can you be more specific? Can you repeat the import of that file and send me a screenshot of both your Import settings on the "Import/Export" window and the message that you get? You can Google "how to get screen captures in Windows X". Then just paste (Ctrl+V) them into a reply here. Or I can jump onto your computer and have a look.

Did you specify the Taxonomy on the Sightings Import window? If you did, you should choose Clements 2019. But you don't need to, in which case it will look for the best match and ask you if a name is ambiguous.

If you still have Clements 2005 on your computer, you should first make sure you have reconciled (Features | Advanced | Reconcile Sightings) from 2005 to Clements 2019. Then, you should remove Clements 2005 from your computer. And remove all other taxonomic lists that you do not use as well. Upgrade to the latest build of BD, Build 56 or later, and Features | Advanced | Remove Unused Taxonomic Lists will allow you to do this quickly. That will improve performance on BD and remove 99% of ambiguous name issues.

This is a lot, so let me know if you have questions or if I can help. Again, I can jump onto your computer and take care of all of this for you.

Jeff

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Jeff,

Thanks for the additional information.

I wasn't able to replicate the initial import problem I told you about, because once I confirmed (reconciled) the "correct" species during the import, the program added my outing list to my BD database. Hence I have no screen shot to share.

But here's what I experienced: My successful outing import consisted of a list of 10 common species that I have previously entered into BD for my home location. Eight of these sightings were accepted immediately by BD, and two were not: One was Mourning Dove, and the other was California Scrub-Jay. I have already entered scores of these sightings, and so I expected the process to be smooth. The program asked me, however, for further refinement (reconciliation?) of the sightings.

The BD import routine gave me two choices for the Mourning Dove, as I recall - Mourning Dove and White-Winged Dove. Of course I selected Mourning Dove. On to next species!

For California Scrub-Jay, I was given a list of hundreds of possibilities of related birds, plus a link to the latest Cornell/Clements recent changes. I entered, I think, Western Scrub Jay (the former name). I then received two choices - both with the same genus and species. My choices were two different subspecies, one being californicus (probably the correct bird). Since I wasn't sure of the correct genus and species, however, I took a different route. I Googled California Scrub-Jay, got the correct new genus and species, and entered this in the BD import box. The program accepted my choice and completed the import. All looked good.

I did not specify the Taxonomy on the Sightings Import window. I don't even remember seeing that choice. Of course I thought the import routine would use the Taxonomy already active on my BD. In retrospect, since I later noticed the 2019 Clements unchecked on my updated version of BD, and the 2005 Clements checked. Perhaps the application was confused during the import. I do know, however, that I had already extensively reconciled scores of sightings imported from my old version of BD, moving from 2005 Clements to 2019 Clements. I'm puzzled why this was even an issue.

Since I did the complete reconcile recently, I'm not sure it's needed again - or would even know how to go about it. I have indeed now unchecked the 2005 Clements in my settings. When I looked at Features/Advanced in the BD menu, however, I could not find Remove Unused Taxonomic Lists. My menu showed only these options: Taxonomy Viewer, Reconcile Sightings, Checklist Editor and Language/Region Editor. 

That said, I would welcome your visiting my computer, if you're willing and think it might be worthwhile, and making sure all is well. I expect to be using this application for a long time and do want it to function optimally.

Thanks again for your continued help.

Lew

 

 

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Hi Lew,

Posted by: @calumet

I wasn't able to replicate the initial import problem I told you about, because once I confirmed (reconciled) the "correct" species during the import, the program added my outing list to my BD database. Hence I have no screen shot to share.

I was referring to importing the same file again. If you deleted it from your PC, you can resend it to yourself again by...

  1. Clicking on Completed Outings in the App,
  2. When the checklist appears, choose Finish Outing again,
  3. Now Send and Close again.
  4. Once it arrives in your Inbox on your PC, you can now import it again to see if you get the same results.
  5. Afterwards you can delete the duplicate sightings.

All this just so I could be sure what message you are seeing and what is causing it. Not that important.

Posted by: @calumet

The program asked me, however, for further refinement (reconciliation?) of the sightings.

At this point, the program could be giving you 1 of 3 windows prompting for action; so I am after exactly which one you got. I need to know that in order to give proper advice on correcting it for future imports.

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For California Scrub-Jay, I was given a list of hundreds of possibilities of related birds, plus a link to the latest Cornell/Clements recent changes.

This is certainly very unexpected. Would love to see this screenshot.

You could also send me the import file from the App by CC'ng jeff@birdersdiary.com in your email program before sending.

I think this behavior you are describing is because you might have had Clements 2005 in the Taxonomy dropdown on the Import window. This is before the Western Scrub-jay was split into Woodhouse's and California. Just make sure to have it blank or set to the latest Clements in your database.

Posted by: @calumet

When I looked at Features/Advanced in the BD menu, however, I could not find Remove Unused Taxonomic Lists.

This would indicate that you are not at Build 56 of v5.2. Upgrade to that as soon as possible via Help | Internet: Check for a program update.

Shoot me an email tomorrow at jeff@birdersdiary.com and we can schedule a time for me to get onto your computer.

Thanks,

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Thanks, Jeff, for your call this morning and virtual visit to my computer.  I appreciate the update to my Birder's Diary program as well as the clean-up to my import and species reconciliation. And it was a pleasure to learn about some of the additional BD features. I'm a very happy and satisfied user of BD!

Lew

 

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