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I got a surprise. I discovered that I have Clements 2022 sightings that somehow have not been reconciled to a later taxonomy. I discovered this when I tried to delete a location, but it would not do it because it said I had sightings for it. It turned out there was a sighting that I could see only under Clements 2022. It didn't show up under Avilist. Once I viewed the sighting under Clements 2022, I could change its location and then I could delete the location. (It was a recent sighting too. How it got to be Clements 2022 in the first place, I don't know.)
Anyway, everything was supposed to be on Avilist 2025 now, I thought. But now I see there are many Clements 2022 sightings left over. (As you know, earlier I had reconciled Clements 2024 to Avilist 2025.)
So, I tried to reconcile the sightings to Avilist 2025. I wasn't having much luck. (I got stuck at Herring Gull. It wanted to change to European Herring Gull, but it should be American Herring Gull). So, I reconciled to Clements 2024 instead, thinking I could then convert to Avilist 2025. And it did it, in one fell swoop, even though that was not my intention.
But before I did that, I manually did the first thing on the list, reconciling from Clements 2022 to Avilist 2025. It was Muscovy Duck. And I might have done Ruddy Duck too. But now somehow I seem to have ended up reconciling Muscovy Duck to Ruddy Duck, according to the report. I don't want my Muscovy Duck sightings to say they are Ruddy Duck! But I still seem to have the Muscovy Duck sightings that I am supposed to have (3). I temporarily restored back to my pre-reconcile backup to confirm what the sightings should be.
So, what happened? Am I good? I am sending the report by email.
Hi David,
Thanks for the details. I checked everything over, and it looks good.
There is just one thing you need to fix. Review your Ruddy Duck sightings using the AviList 2025 taxonomy only. You should find the one sighting that was accidentally changed from Muscovy Duck to Ruddy Duck. Edit that sighting and change it back to Muscovy Duck. That should take care of it.
Also, you could have reconciled directly from Clements 2022 to AviList 2025. The AI interface in Reconcile would have been especially useful there because it could have shown you the taxonomic changes between those two lists.
But the way you did it—Clements 2022 to Clements 2024, then Clements 2024 to AviList 2025—is perfectly fine as well.
So, other than correcting that one Ruddy Duck sighting, everything looks good.
Take care.
As I said, I got stuck trying to recon Clements 2022 to Avilist 2025 because it wanted to change my Herring Gulls to European Herring Gulls. I know that is not right. I figured the problem was trying to jump over a tax update.
Here is a problem:
In the pre-Reconcile backup, there are TWO sightings for Muscovy Duck for 05/11/2024 01:23 PM for that date/time/location. On has the IUCN field = LC-, one has "-". What does that mean? I don't know why I have two records for that bird. This is under Clements 2022. Under Clements 2024, only the one with LC- shows.
In Avilist 2025, the one with "-" is now Ruddy Duck jamaicensis. I guess I want to change it back to Muscovy Duck. The one with LC- still shows as Muscovy Duck.
In Reconcile:
if I put Old Clements 2022 and New Clements 2024, it says there is nothing to reconcile.
if I put Old Clements 2024 and New Avilist 2025, also it says there is nothing to reconcile.
So, I'm good there.
But if I put Old Clements 2022 and New Avilist 2025, it says there ARE things to reconcile, but I guess I am supposed to ignore that. Right?
Hi Dave,
As I said, I got stuck trying to recon Clements 2022 to Avilist 2025 because it wanted to change my Herring Gulls to European Herring Gulls. I know that is not right. I figured the problem was trying to jump over a tax update.
It just gave you 'European Herring Gull' as one probably choice - because it wasn't coming from the previous year, but rather 3 years prior. You can and should override that probable choice using the dropdown at the bottom with AviList's American Herring Gull. You did not have to go from 2022 to 2024 first, then from 2024 to AviList second. But either way works fine.
In the pre-Reconcile backup, there are TWO sightings for Muscovy Duck for 05/11/2024 01:23 PM for that date/time/location. On has the IUCN field = LC-, one has "-". What does that mean? I don't know why I have two records for that bird. This is under Clements 2022. Under Clements 2024, only the one with LC- shows.
In Avilist 2025, the one with "-" is now Ruddy Duck jamaicensis. I guess I want to change it back to Muscovy Duck. The one with LC- still shows as Muscovy Duck.
We are getting to the point where I would need a copy of both your pre-reconcile database and your current database to track what has happened and what changes have been made.
You can Zip/compress and upload each to me on this site at the Suppport >> File Upload page. Instructions are on that page. It is fast and easy. Then I can see every detail to answer 99% of all questions.
Without those files, I would be guessing and probably wrong. I am curious, so please if you have time, do upload both to me.
But if I put Old Clements 2022 and New Avilist 2025, it says there ARE things to reconcile, but I guess I am supposed to ignore that. Right?
Yes. That is correct.
Let me know please.
