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[Solved] Preserving Family Names and Removing Extinct Species

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Hi Jeff - prior to importing Clements 2022, can I just raise two issues which take up time to fix with every new tax list?

1. Preserving Family Names - there is supposed to be a provision to retain one's own set of family names, but I have never got this to work (or have forgotten how to). Takes an hour plus to edit the "standard" names back to my preferred names.

2. Removing Extinct Species - I look at my totals in relation to the maximum that is possible to see, so need a list without extinct species. Can do this with aid of the spreadsheet downloaded from the Cornell website, but takes a couple of hours.

Any comments on the above? Have a vague recollection of a recent reference to "extinct-free" lists but cannot track it down.

Thanks - Ian

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Hi Ian,

Preserving Family Names

I think I created this feature for you several versions ago. It is still here and should work; unless I broke it.

View | Options, 'General - 1' TAB in v6.0.

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Doing a quick sanity check on the code, it seems as though I have completely commented out any code to update Family Descriptions. Ever. It will take me a lot more time than I have this evening to double-check this, but I will tomorrow.

Before importing Clements 2022, be sure to do a backup of your database that you can restore in case this doesn't work. In that case, I will figure out something else for you.

Removing Extinct Species

Posted by: @iasmit

Removing Extinct Species - I look at my totals in relation to the maximum that is possible to see, so need a list without extinct species. Can do this with aid of the spreadsheet downloaded from the Cornell website, but takes a couple of hours.

Not sure exactly what you are after here. Please give a concrete example. Thanks.

Jeff

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@jeff Thanks for the response. Dealing with each issue separately:

1. Preserving Family Names: I have confirmed that the "Disable Family/Order Description Updates" does not work, and my names are overwritten even on upgrade to a new build - just checked by updating to Build 19 of 6.0 with "Disable ..." checked, and my names gone with your standard names back. It would be good if this could be fixed although not a critical issue.

2. This is actually a Cornell/Clements/eBird issue and I don't expect you to do anything if nobody else has a problem with the present setup. But just to explain - for some unknown reason the Clements checklist retains about 160 extinct species. Since I can never see a Passenger Pigeon or Dodo, don't want them in the denominator when calculating the percentage of the world's birds I have seen. Have no idea why the Clements list includes extinct birds - it should include only extant species and if a species thought extinct is rediscovered then it can just be added back to the list (this has happened for two species of Storm Petrel rediscovered in recent years and which both happen to be on my list). This just for your information, but if you do communicate with the Cornell people perhaps you could mention the issue as I am not the only one who has a problem with their present treatment. I have removed extinct species from my version of the Clements 2022 checklist but it would be nice if the couple of hours to do this could be avoided in future.

Thanks - Ian

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Hi Ian,

I am not sure why I stopped supporting the 'save family names' on upgrade. I will check into that and hopefully get a fix this week. So, if you restore from backup before you imported Clements 2022, you will have your old family names; Then I will have an update and you can upgrade to that and re-import Clements 2022. 

Remove extinct species from Clements??? Let me think about this one also.

Stay tuned.

Jeff

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Ok Ian. Build 20 has the fix. Be sure you have set this option on the View | Options window, and upgrade to Build 20 (will get released today) before importing Clements 2022.

As for the Clements Extinct species thing. That is not an easy fix. On the ToDo list to come up with something, but it will take more time. 

Closing this issue for now. 

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Ok Ian. Build 20 is now available here.

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I assume Ian wants the BD Clements tax list without extinct species, because the BD Clements checklist is already without extinct species. That was the issue was on my post.

Al

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@aldeboro Thank you Al, I was not on board with the distinction between tax lists and checklists. Provided that the "Quick Life List Count" feature uses checklist totals in the calculations, this solves my problem and there no longer seems to be any need to purge the tax lists of extinct species, does there Jeff? When this feature is run for "World" the "Location" and "Taxonomy" totals are the same at 10,748 but this is presumably because I have manually removed extinct species from the Taxonomy list.

 

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That is correct Ian and Al. I wasn't thinking of this either. 

Does that fit your need for now Ian?

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@jeff Yes, thanks Jeff all good now.

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